I just checked out both these games. They are akin to PB away games, where you set the strategies but the computer controls the game. Another like that is Scoresheet. Great games. But PB still seems to be the only one online that allows you to play. Its one thing to read that your guy stole then scored. But its a lot better to sweat the risk at the moment. The best would be to get old buddies together for long strat-o-matic days (as kids in the summer) or nights (as college and just-out bachelors). But barring that, the best sim is still PB to actually manange your team.